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Calavera
Joined: 10 Jul 2007
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Location: Fiendsville, liverpool
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 Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:04 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Calavera"][quote="Ghost"]i just loled at you aswell you silly atheists[/quote]
Hahaha, I love how that is supposed to be an insult!
'i just loled at you aswell you silly christian'
'i just loled at you aswell you silly buddist'
'i just loled at you aswell you silly muslim'
'i just loled at you aswell you silly jedi'
works on soo many levels... but seriously, shost.. if u have that attitude, you will be going to hell as you've just preformed a sin!
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Ghost
Joined: 11 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Im just trying to help you guys out, im trying to help you cure your atheist mental error by helping you see the reality of god. Help is good charity. Atheism and satanism which horror punk music teaches is not good! You are following man made evil (horror punk). This music is the sin.
Am i some random preacher no. I was a horror punk fan for two years, it is damaging it is 'satanic' music which promotes man made violence and evil. This music just like all metal music punk etc damages your health. Kids are growing up listening to this, it damages them.
God is love, horror punk is not teaching love. Come on guys wake up.
You have free will you may listen to what you want, just i don't see the point in listening to something which promotes evil. This is not part of gods creation so i don't see why you are supporting it.
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Calavera
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, i hate to get into a religious fight here, but if god is love, why the fuck does he make life so hard for so many billions of people?
plus! if god made adam and eve, and cain and able where their only children, how the hell did they populate the entire world?
Horror punk is not evil. By listening to it, I have no need to kill people, attack people, or even hate people. As most of us have said, people who listen to horrorpunk tend to be the nicest people i know. people who have never met can get along like a house on fire because of a mutual love of music.
We are not satanist's, and we are not as closed minded as you.
We are the horror punk community, and you are a sad little ghost. |
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Ghost
Joined: 11 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ok your not supporting evil but you listen to evil lyrics like this all day.
"Mommy, Can I Go Out And Kill Tonight?"
1, 2, 3, 4 singled out the kids who are mean to me get straight a's but they still make fun i don't give a, i'll laugh last stayed in every night do my homework so i'll be smart girls all say i'm a little fucked mommy i'm a good boy mommy i'm a fuckin' savior mommy i'm alive mommy, can i go out and kill tonight rip the veins from human necks until they're wet with life razor-blades love teenage flesh an epidermoty i'll bring back a souvenir for it's my mommy's dream can i go out and kill tonight, kill tonight killed a girl on lovers' lane i kept her toes and teeth every night i stalk around until i find my keep i'll bring back a souvenir for it's my mommy's dream can i go out and kill tonight, kill tonight killed a girl on lovers lane i kept her toes and teeth every night i stalk around until i find my keep, mommy i'll bring back a souvenir for it's my mommy's dream can i go out and kill tonight, kill tonight kill tonight, kill tonight, kill tonight, kill tonight kill tonight, kill tonight can i go out and kill tonight, kill tonight kill tonight, kill tonight, kill tonight, kill tonight kill tonight, kill tonight
Anyone who listens to and enjoys this is closed-minded. Read the lyrics some guy going out murdering young teenagers with a razorblade.
None of you will be family people, how can you be when you listen to this? |
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Spooky
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Location: Portsmouth, UK
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Ghost,
I was quite willing to let your nonsense slide and I know you shouldn't feed trolls, but then you took to quoting song lyrics as proof of your thin, tired and toothless argument, and if there's one thing I enjoy it's a good quote-off.
By your own admission you are a christian, which means you have to take the bible as god's word or the gig is up. On this basis either the bible is literal or it isn't, either it's the directly transcribed word of god or it's the interpreted teachings of your god. Either, or... not both. So you might want to chose one now before we get started.
Either way, you should probably spend some quality time reading 'The Holy Bible' cover to cover. Don't you go skipping ahead though to that zany Revelations ending.
I would recommend the King James Edition, it's the most palettable for the current english language. To kick off this little debate I'm gonna opt for the book of Deuteronomy. Now get out your bible and sing along, we're gonna smash head first into Chapter 22.. one of my personal favourites
Verse 22: If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
Verse 23: If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
Verse 24: Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
So... both rapist and victims murdered... thanks just and caring god!
Ok, so maybe god's a bit of violent type but I'm sure Jesus is just a peace loving family man right? To the book of Mathew chapter 10!
Verse 34: Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Verse 35: For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's foes will be those of his own household.
Ooops. I'm sorry... Is this the son of god preeching a doctrine of premediatated violence?
Ok, lets have a looks at some commandments... there was 10 right? Wrong! To the book of Exodus! Chapters 21,22 and 23. Let us dig on a diet of approved slavery, physical abuse and sacrifice of innocents... on gods command of course.
Chapter 21.
Verse 2: When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.
Verse 7: When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.
Verse 26-27: When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it, he shall let the slave go free for the eye's sake. If he knocks out the tooth of his slave, male or female, he shall let the slave go free for the tooth's sake
Chapter 22.
Verse 29 The first-born of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do likewise with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.
But it's ok, he saves it in Chapter 23.
Verse 19: You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk.
Phew!
Uh Oh, it''s that crazy book of Deuteronomy again. Chapter 21 Verses 18-21.
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father; or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, "This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Ahhh, much better than an ASBO. Just stone the little sods to death.
I could keep going all day and believe me I really could. Your 'Holy' book is just chock to the brim with this juicy stuff but I've spent enough time on this. So the question is this...
Are you a hypocrite or an Idiot? You decide.
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Calavera
Joined: 10 Jul 2007
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Location: Fiendsville, liverpool
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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*claps spooky*
...i think stephen Fry said it best when he said 'Religion... Shit It' |
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NatheoftheLivingDead
Joined: 03 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
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I think Spooky has just put together the best structured and most thoroughly researched argument ever! Well played!
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Ghost
Joined: 11 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Verse 22: If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
Verse 23: If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
Verse 24: Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you. |
Rapists are following the error of evil, they deserve to be killed. You support rape do you? As for the victim that is not what it says, it says for a women who does not cry during a rape. If a women does not cry during a rape or moan for help she is clearly enjoying it, for rape is an evil sin and it is utter pain for the victim of course she will cry.
| Quote: | Verse 34: Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Verse 35: For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's foes will be those of his own household. |
The sword is a metaphor for ideological conflict, Jesus was not advocating violence. Jesus was warning his disciples that they would encounter violence from those unwilling to accept the Truth. Nowhere in the passage does he instruct them to harm anyone.
Aramaic word for "large knife" has the same meaning as "a tool for dividing, division". The sword described the division that his message would bring between those who accept it and those who reject it.
| Quote: | Chapter 21.
Verse 2: When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.
Verse 7: When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.
Verse 26-27: When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it, he shall let the slave go free for the eye's sake. If he knocks out the tooth of his slave, male or female, he shall let the slave go free for the tooth's sake
Chapter 22.
Verse 29 The first-born of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do likewise with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day you shall give it to me. |
What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was more a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
Kidnappying people, using them or selling them as slaves:
The penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16).
Slave was choice.
| Quote: | | If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father; or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, "This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. |
Stubborn/rebellious son - A drunkard - Again you support drunks do you? I know horror punk is filled with drunks. There you go.
| Quote: | I could keep going all day and believe me I really could. Your 'Holy' book is just chock to the brim with this juicy stuff but I've spent enough time on this. So the question is this...
Are you a hypocrite or an Idiot? You decide. |
You clearly have little to insult the bible, and to answer your last question clearly you are. Your an idiot atheist.
Have a nice day. |
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Spooky
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Location: Portsmouth, UK
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Ghost, welcome back.
| Quote: | | Rapists are following the error of evil, they deserve to be killed. You support rape do you? As for the victim that is not what it says, it says for a women who does not cry during a rape. If a women does not cry during a rape or moan for help she is clearly enjoying it, for rape is an evil sin and it is utter pain for the victim of course she will cry. |
Oh, but how you miss the point... I do not advocate rape, in the same way that I do not advocate stoning rapists to death. Your argument is fundamentally flawed. Just because I don't want to kill rapists doesn't mean I advocate rape. This is a common logic flaw in arguments put forth by religious people, christians included.
However, I'm more concerned about your fixation on the crying during rape. What the passage actually says is that if the woman doesn't cry 'in the city'. The passage before clearly states that if she gets raped outside of the city whether or not the woman cries out is irrelevent... This sort of reasoning is prime indication of Bronze Age thinking and the objectifying of women.
However I'm glad you've raised the point of sin. Sin, and the concept of mortal sin is an extremely interesting area. Especially when you take into account the concept of a omnipotent judge, jury and executioner. God will judge the sinners... what gives man the right to punish people for God's laws?
| Quote: | The sword is a metaphor for ideological conflict...blah blah blah
Aramaic word for "large knife" has the same meaning as "a tool for dividing.... yackety schmakety blah blah blah |
Whoa whoa whoa!! Now it's a metaphor? How do you know? Sorry... I call Bullshit. Why wasn't the stoning a metaphor? Do you remember the choice I gave you and the begining of my rant? Literal word of God (you know, that omnipotent super friend of yours), or the interpretation of the word of God? Either or... it can't be both. Yeah, I'll take handy changes of meaning for 400 Alex.
| Quote: | | What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was more a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters. |
I don't even know where to begin with this much stupidity in a single paragraph. There is no documentary evidence outside of YOUR INTERPRETATION of the Bible which coroborates this concept of 'chosen salvery'... which may have something to do with it being an entirely contradictory concept. Firstly, read a dictionary...
Slave -
1) One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2) One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence.
I don't think I can spell that out any clearer. Regardless of that...
Verse 2, When you ___BUY___ a Hebrew slave. BUY!! Do you know what that word means?
Verse 7, When a man ___SELLS___ his daughter as a slave. Yup, SELLS!!!
Yeah, that all sounds like a choice to me. However the underlying point here is quite clear. Slavery is wrong! Owning another person and treating them as property or cattle is wrong! Again, I'm sure it was acceptable during the Bronze Age but society and morality have moved on a bit in the last 2000 years. You might wanna try coming along for the ride!
You appear to have glossed over the human sacrifice too... was that one a bit hard to refute with your special brand of misdirection and nonsense?
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Stubborn/rebellious son - A drunkard - Again you support drunks do you? I know horror punk is filled with drunks. There you go. |
You have got to be kidding me! You know what... yeah, I do support drunks. To the dictionary! <insert Batman music>
Support - To undergo or endure, esp. with patience or submission; tolerate.
However this is merely a linguistical argument that holds no weight. What I do find deeply repugnant is the accusation to avoid the contention. The drunkeness was not, nor will ever be, the issue. The problem was that your great and Holy book advocated the stoning of these PEOPLE to death. Absolutely no effort to rehabilitate them, no effort into understanding alcoholism... just murder.
Now for the people in the cheap seats...
MURDER IS WRONG!
Moving on. Debating a christian troll in a forum for a completely different topic is bad sport. So rather than waste our time arguing these points back and forth I propose a comprimise. You'll go away, never to return to this forum and we'll be happy in our sins, to be judged by your God and sentenced to burn for all eternity in the fires of hell. Surely that's as close to a win/win for you as you're gonna get?
The simple fact is like all fundamentalists, you won't change your mind but can't change the subject. The faithful pride themselves in believing things that are difficult to believe. Understanding, logic and scientific methods will never change their minds, but it's the best tools we have at our disposal. Oh, and you're absolutely right... I am an idiot, and I am an atheist. But the two are entirely unrelated.
As I have stated this is not the arena for this sort of discussion so I will not reply again, which no doubt you will take as some sort of victory.
I will leave you all with this 'thought' -
| Quote: | | Horror punk music is against god. These music genres are creating negative forces which brainwash people especially youth. It turns people violent, narrow minded, and negative towards life and others. |
| Quote: | | You are following man made evil (horror punk). This music is the sin. |
| Quote: | | Rapists are following the error of evil, they deserve to be killed |
Uh oh.
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NatheoftheLivingDead
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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singled out the kids who are mean to me, get straight a's but they still make fun, i don't give a, i'll laugh last, stayed in every night, do my homework so i'll be smart, girls all say i'm a little fucked. mommy i'm a good boy, mommy i'm a fuckin' savior, mommy i'm alive, mommy, can i go out and kill tonight? |
If you got straight A's in school, did all your homework, and then proceeded to get teased and called "a little fucked" for it, wouldn't you wanna exact a little revenge??
Deuteronomy 32:35 "Revenge is mine, and I will repay them in due time"
The last portion of the song is obviously what goes on in the kid's imagination. A metaphor, if you will, similar to those less-than-clearly stated in that Bible of yours. Selective ignorance surely? You even quoted the entire song and proceed to ignore the entire first section!!
One or the other...
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Ghost
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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I got the slavery correct - It is even put here on a MAINSTREAM website
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
Slavery was DIFFERENT than it has been recently to back then. Your modern dictionary is not useful in this situation. Of course slaves were brought and sold it was CHOICE.
We know the sword is a metaphor becuase if you read the bible, it quite simply shows Jesus was nothing to do with violence. He was a holy man of peace. Read the bible. You have no read it, what you have read is about 2 atheist websites trying to attack the bible.
There are more mainstream websites supporting the bible then going against it.
God is omnipotent, Jesus was not God infact he made this quite clear in Matthew 19:16-17.
You need to stop attacking the bible. It is quite clear you have little moral. Horror punk music teaches murder, rape, torture, sexual perversion, hate is real and ok to do. Couldn't be further from the truth none of those things are real and they are not ok to do they are man made error (sin), you have clearly been sucked in by the error of evil. You need to wake up. God is love, and God is good, and as born in God's image and likeness that is our nature.
Everything in Horror punk music is error as i have said it teaches the error of evil.
You need to calm down and get into reality of God. |
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Calavera
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Is it now wrong that I actaully enjoy coming into this thread just to read these arguments now???
but yea, I dont give a shit what an out of date book say. It has little to no relivance in todays society! its ppl like you ghost, who turn me away from religion! the more you press the subject, the more I want to turn away from it! I like to think of myself as agnostic, I dont belive, nor disbelive, but when people like you tell me that im going to hell for listening to music, having a few light ales, and doing things that are conisidered 'sinfull', then i just wanna pull a big middle finger to the whole organised religion thing!
but please answer me these questions if u still want to 'convert' this 'sinner':
1. if god is love, why does he make life so hard, shit, and make people who i dont know hate me? surely if god is love, he would strike them down if he was truely all powerfull
2. if the bible teaches us to 'love thy neighbour', then why instead of forgiving and forgetting, do you people start wars in the name of god, and try to 'help' people who dont want help
3. why is ur screen name ghost? surely if ur a true beliver, then you wouldnt belive in ghost walking the earth after they pass away. dosnt the bible teach that after u die, you either go to heaven, hell or purgatory?
4. can u actaully prove to me that god exists? i mean, scientific proof here. like a photo of him, or a dna sample... somthing that would hold up in a court of law
5. what actaully 'converted' you to christianity? i want the full story here man! and why christianity? why not budism or muslim or even jewlish?
6. do actaully know any horrorpunks which have; killed, raped, or kept people as slaves?
now to everyone else!
lets go drink some booze, listen to some bliztkid, and go have sex with people before we marry them!!!! *yehaaaaaa!* |
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Tommy Creep
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We have seen the light, we are now to be known as The Christian Creeps!
or does The Converted Creeps sound better?
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Calavera
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| haha, actaully, the converted creeps sounds like a pretty bad ass name! |
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Spooky
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Damn it. That's a great name.
If you guys don't want it... well I could take it off your hands for you 
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Ghost
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There is only one question. It is for you.
Why support the error of atheism?
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Ghost
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| This thread is now closed and i am leaving your forum. |
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Deathbed
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: |
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well its not.
but goodbye and take your bullshit views with you
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Tommy Creep
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Technically if Ghost is haunting our forum, he can't leave, right? Not til he figured out who killed him or what's preventing him from passing on to the other side?
Maybe it's because he's secretly an atheist and so knows there is no other side.
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Ghost
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atheism does not exist mate (it is a man made error which actually came about less than 200 years ago along with the false belief of evolution), more importantly is somebody going to lock this thread? I thought that was the deal?
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